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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 20, 2012 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Sure. I mean, why attack the root causes of the problem when we can simply start an arms race in our schools?

Frankly, I don't think it's really enough to simply arm teachers with hand guns. Is that a fair fight? How do you think those will stand up to an AR-15 with a large capacity magazine? Nope. Teachers need something far more lethal. Every school should have a full arsenal of assault weapons, grenades... possibly even chemical weapons.

And what if the teachers aren't around? Better arm the students too. Only then will I feel truly safe. And while we're at it, can we really say that we're doing enough if we aren't providing body armor for our elementary school students? Why take the chance?

On the other hand, perhaps we can just decide as a country that your average Joe shouldn't be able to own an assault weapon. Maybe we can decide that we don't think the solution to gun violence is to increase the amount of "friendly fire" in our schools and in our streets. How about mandatory jail time for anyone caught with a gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 20, 2012 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

How about you require anyone who wants to carry a semi-automatic weapon to take a military-grade weapons training course in conjunction with a basic psychological screening. There are several companies that provide these type of classes, usually taught by ex-military personnel (my uncle works at one, Gunsite, here in AZ and having gone through it myself I can personally speak to the difference it can make). Just because you give a teacher an AR-15 doesn't mean he/she knows what to do with it. The chance for "collateral damage" presented by an untrained person under extreme duress trying to take out a bad guy is too high for me. I am fully aware that guns will always be part of our world, so lets do more to make sure those with them know what the hell they are doing and try to keep those who are unstable from having access to them. I'd mention something about our culture and violence, but the folks at x-box and playstation are making too much money for that to change anytime soon.

Just my two cents.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Dec 20, 2012 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Not to be a kiss-ass, but I would take your two cents
to the f-ing bank. excellent point.
I just wonder what do you do with a mentally ill person
who, just by chance, has easy access to semi autos... oh, thats right. Thats what happens.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 20, 2012 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

snow_and_rain

An esteemed member of this forum recently responded to a post with this Latin phrase, "reductio ad absurdum". It was an appropriate response then, and I feel it now bears repeating.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 20, 2012 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Sorry, I can't resist...

Bulletproof backpack and body armor sales skyrocket for Utah company

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/20/bulletproof_backpack_and_body_armor_sales_skyrocket_for_utah_based_company/

Fox13 is reporting that Amendment II, a Utah-based American combat apparel company, has seen a dramatic increase in demand for its bulletproof children’s backpacks and lightweight child-size body armor after the shootings in Newtown, Conn. last week.

The company is two years old, and started out by selling its lightweight brand of armor, RynoHide, to the military and police organizations. But in response to school shootings, Amendment II quickly branched out to include armor in children’s products, first selling only a dozen at a time “to survivalist types” known as “preppers” at weekend gun shows.

They are now selling to “everyone.” In the wake of Newtown, Amendment II’s Chief Operating Officer Rich Brand said to Fox13, “At this point, it’s transcended to everyone. Anyone who’s sending out a child into the world, seeing what can happen now, they want to protect their children.” So many people are flocking to buy the company’s backpacks, which retail between $150-300, that there’s a wait list and the Web site has crashed multiple times.

Amendment II’s Web site describes the high-end Ballistic Backpack as lined with RynoHide carbon nanotube armor: “Sewn into the rear of the pack, you can always be confident that the armor hasn’t been accidentally left at home and that you or your child are protected in case of the unthinkable. The backpack can be quickly brought to the front as a shield or can serve as center of mass protection while fleeing the scene of the shooting.”

Brand insisted that despite high sales, however, he’s not trying to capitalize on the tragedy: “This isn’t what we want. This isn’t what we intended,” he said.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 20, 2012 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Lol. Okay, fair enough. I think I've probably made my point.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 20, 2012 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Brother, I've enjoyed the back and forth. If I came across as a bit crazy, it may be because I am(but in a mostly good way).

May the Peace and Joy of Christmas be with you and your family.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 20, 2012 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

I have a gun pointed at my head right now, thank god it's full of sweet vapor

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 20, 2012 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

http://www.deviantart.com/download/25269622/rasta__s_tree_of_christmas_by_Juan_Luna.jpg

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 20, 2012 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unnecessary Carnage at Sandy Hook

Best wishes to you both. I love a good debate. Here's to more of the same in the new year.